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George the Poet: ‘there was no blueprint for what I do’

The hugely popular spoken word artist and podcaster talks to Oluwaseun Olayiwola about grime, growth and guiding the next generation

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Originally posted Thu 27 Feb 2025

Prior to joining forces with Chineke! Orchestra for R.I.S.E. – part of our new Multitudes festival that took place in April 2025 – George the Poet discussed his journey from grime MC to PhD as he continues to ‘lay it all bare’ with Oluwaseun Olayiwola.

 

​​‘If art is to make a contribution to a better world, art needs to be able to deal with reality,’ says George the Poet, who, at 34, marks this point in his career as a transition from ‘intuiting’ the world around him, to making work that is grounded in deeper, relational analyses, analyses that are not ‘reactionary’ and do not centre himself. ‘I’m not a big fan of individualism at this time in my life, so I’m suspicious of poetic practices that try to keep us in an individual bubble,’ he says to me via webcam, in a black long-sleeve shirt that enhances the shine of his smile and his singular glittering gold tooth.

Look at his journey, and you see that George the Poet – real name George Mpanga – could’ve easily landed with a different modifier for his stage name. Growing up in the early days of grime in north west London and signing with a record label at 21 he could’ve easily been George the Rapper. Or George the Sociologist, given his studies at King’s College Cambridge where he dutifully honed sociological techniques for examining the Black struggle. Or perhaps he could’ve been George the Podcaster; as presenter of his Peabody-award winning Have You Heard George’s Podcast? – a podcast told entirely in verse that showcases his talent to interweave the personal, the political, the musical, and the poetic into an hour-long odyssey of mellifluous thought. 

But it’s as George the Poet that he has amassed a flurry of honors, awards and invitations; all in a remarkably short time. In addition to the Peabody for his podcast, he’s won in several categories of the British Podcast Awards and an NME award. And his poetry, motivated by articulating nuances of Black experience, has garnered award nominations from the BRITs, MTV and the BBC.

 

There’s an indescribable beauty in union
In two beings forming one new being
Entering each other’s world
Surrendering each other’s selves

from ‘The Beauty of Union’, George the Poet’s poem written to commemorate the 2019 marriage of Prince Harry and Megan Markle

 

 

In 2023, he guest curated the London Literature Festival at the Southbank Centre, where he ‘just got to platform some of my favourite talents. I tried not to overthink it in terms of tying together thematically. I just wanted to give people the space to demonstrate what I like about them.’ And in 2025 year he returned to the venue with R.I.S.E, part of the first edition of Multitudes festival, and a new collaboration with Chineke! Orchestra, Europe’s first professional orchestra containing primarily black and ethnically diverse musicians. This will be George’s first time collaborating with an orchestra, combining his spoken word  flow with more classical orchestration. ‘I never thought that was something that was out of our wheelhouse, even back in the days when I was a rapper. I always knew that to work with an orchestra would just expand the palate, and expand people’s imagination of the stories that we could tell.’

George grew up on St. Raphael’s Estate in north west London where most of the homes were rented by the government to low income-families, creating the conditions for rampant colourism between Caribbeans and Africans, difficult home environments that expressed itself as violence, but, also, the proximity of different musical traditions that fostered loose kinships locally and internationally. The environment was ‘full of wolves, and non-violence made [George] food’. ‘Ride Out’, a poem from his first collection Search Party, begins with: ‘The only way he can overcome the hopelessness that claimed everyone around him is by embracing the likelihoods of death and incarceration’. Yet one can see how music could assuage that hopelessness, offering a balm to the stressors in his environment; as George reflects, ‘every time I’ve engaged with music, I’ve had the opportunity to build my psychology’.

George’s parents were immigrants from Uganda, bringing with them a love of music that would permeate his consciousness. The soundtrack of his home life was made up of grime, pan-African music, gospel, and hip-hop. ‘My five siblings and I inherited our father’s love of music’, he writes in his book Track Record: Me, Music, and the War on Blackness. ‘My favorite hip-hop artists when I was young, I largely have contempt for them now,’ he says, referring to prominent Black music artists who profit from reifying stereotypes about Black communities, all the while, without expressing a ‘concrete Black political agenda’. Much of George’s output has focused on unpacking and exposing those tensions. ‘I developed my masculinity on the basis of this music and developed my artform on the basis of this music.’

‘I always knew that to work with an orchestra would just expand the palate, and expand people’s imagination of the stories that we could tell [through spoken word]’

Growing up, he admired artists like Ghetts, whose rhyme schemes were complicated yet sonically effective; rappers like Rakim – the aficionado of ‘Reflection Rap’, Nas, Big Daddy Kane; all artists who formed the burgeoning East Coast hip-hop music scene in the US. And while he began as a grime MC, gaining credibility and experience in studios across north and northwest London, it was an experience of ‘performing when he was 16, that orchestrated his transition to poetry; ‘the music cut out I delivered the song completely a capella’. He details this in a poem called ‘In The Quiet’.

 

I’m tryna take it all in; remember that I’m lucky
To be awake this morning:
Start rapping without a beat and before you know it
They start clapping and shouting and call you poet…

from ‘In The Quiet’

 

 

‘I’d had the idea that grime without poetry was music,’ he writes, but testing and living out this idea became a parallel journey undertaken whilst he was completing his sociological and political studies at King’s College Cambridge. Alienated for not wanting to participate in violence in adolescence, enrolling at Cambridge opened up a different sort of alienation, being one of four Black students at the college, even if, as he writes, ‘At first I didn’t think much about the lack of Black people, or how it affected me’. But this didn’t deter George, who from became the Kings College Student Union chairman having delivered his campaign speech in rhymed verse, and would garner a broad audience for his creative output on campus, his buzz skyrocketing after he performed at a Jazz, Funk, and Soul event.

Upon graduation from Cambridge, at the age of 21, George signed a record deal with Universal Music’s Island Records. It brought an unexpected and rewarding soubresaut to his career, going from experimentations with his a capella grime verses in small venues to TV appearances and headlining major shows. ‘When I was younger it was about rhymes. That was my number one priority. Then it became about how can I rhyme beyond our neighbourhood?’ His craft swiftly developed, but that in itself often created tensions between what his label knew could sell and what he thought had artistic merit. ‘The dimensions on which we can push ourselves on craft are limitless. In a genre, we tend to convene around a certain set of values. In rap, it might be the flow, the delivery, the truth behind what you’re saying.’

Parting with the record deal wasn’t a decision that came lightly, though it illustrates the integrity by which George has tried to shape a career that doesn’t depend on those extractive and supremacist structures which he aims to critique. ‘There was no blueprint for what I do. All of my peers were rappers. If rap didn’t pan out for them they might have moved into music management or studio management’, and so it’s of little surprise that George’s opting out of a record deal was a decision that left a number of friends and family baffled.

‘When I was younger it was about rhymes. That was my number one priority. Then it became about how can I rhyme beyond our neighbourhood?’

But then George’s entire career can be viewed as one crafted through a series of acceptances and refusals, as he says, ‘I had to become selective’. Turning down Island Records was one thing, but then at 28 he took the decision to turn down an MBE. ‘I knew I couldn’t accept the MBE,’ he writes in Track Record, ‘I wasn’t about to co-sign the whole idea of empire by attaching those words to my name’. Such decisions mean sadly he’s no rookie to digital pile-ons and cancellation attempts, but through upswells of racial abuse for his personal choices George has persisted in his pursuit of an output and approach that encourages young artists to stay steadfast within their values and intention. ‘Hopefully future creatives don’t have the same debates I used to have with my friends, who said it’s just not possible to be progressive and popular’.

Now a doctoral candidate at UCL’s Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose, George’s research is guided to understanding ‘how systemic change can be undertaken to create an economy that works for all’, with rap music as a primary means. ‘The role poets have played in some of the most oppressed communities in the world has renewed my appreciation for poetry,’ he explains. It’s therefore perhaps of little surprise that when asked what he would do if he weren’t a rapper, performer, or poet, he mused ‘I would do something connected with development of skills for young people. That’s what drew me into music in the first place. People don’t necessarily think of creative space as a developmental space’.

‘Hopefully future creatives don’t have the same debates I used to have with my friends, who said it’s just not possible to be progressive and popular’

‘I lay it all bare,’ he reiterates, and indeed he does, whether that’s on his podcast, as a musician, as a noticeably in-demand speaker and performer, or, more recently, as a husband and father. In every arena George the Poet shows himself to be an unflinching artist whose powerful practice is capable of commingling the boundaries between the private and the political, all with that ear-capturingly warm baritone voice.

 


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Oluwaseun Olayiwola

Oluwaseun Olayiwola is a poet, critic, and choreographer. His work has been published in The Guardian, The Telegraph, the TLS and elsewhere. His debut poetry collection Strange Beach was published by Fitzcarraldo Editions in January in 2025.